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Becoming Human's avatar

Have you considered the reverse of your idea? Perhaps the problem with politics is simply narcissism and mental illness.

Most people, when they have lost a race or can’t get into an event, aren’t humiliated. Often they are depressed or disappointed, but humiliation is something you feel when you are treated as a lesser human, like the victims of Abu Ghraib or rape, not someone who loses a race or can’t have something they want.

And many, many celebrities are roasted. It is a sign of celebrity. But they don’t respond by sociopathically immiserating others.

People who are narcissists think this way. And yes, Obama is not a healthy mind. Charming undoubtedly, but not healthy. No healthy mind could survive murdering innocents at his level and remain glib and chatty.

The problem isn’t the humiliation, it is the profoundly fragile psych of our leaders. When you play the humiliation card, you make it our fault, when it is not. It is either their fault or the fault of the adults in their lives who humiliated them as children.

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Martin Greenwald, M.D.'s avatar

I think the point you raised about homicide is important. There’s a sense in which getting revenge on your political opponent by making a comeback and beating him is a substitute for just trying to kill him, which for most of human history was probably the norm, and in some places still is. I totally agree our motivations are complicated, but feeling the need to take revenge due to being wronged or publicly humiliated has got to be one of the most powerful motivators of all.

Re: norms against humiliation, I think the Talmud almost equates the act of humiliating others with murder.

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